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I haven't done a fight poll in aaaaaages!

So, inspired by some chats at work, I bring you two!

Poll the first:

Poll #1272290 Conan vs Aragorn

Who would win in a fight between Conan and Aragorn?


Poll the second:
Poll #1272291 Vs vs Vs!

If Freddy and Jason (from the movie of the same name) teamed up to fight Alien and Predator (who have also teamed up for the sake of this poll) in a tag-team match, who would win?

Freddy and Jason
Alien and Predator

Leave your reasoning in the comments please!
If you've come here from a friend's page, or a community, please leave a comment so I know who you are- Thanks! :)


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Oct. 4th, 2008 11:44 am (UTC)
No one can beta Conan.

Crazy humanoids vs Non-humans. We lose.
Oct. 4th, 2008 11:51 am (UTC)
But Freddy is a dream warrior who has come back from the dead (in a way), and Jason does not appear to be able to die. Which would obviously give him an advantage!
Oct. 4th, 2008 11:53 am (UTC)
Dude, seriously - who would you rather meet down a cold dark alley, something vaguely human or something that is out of this world???
Oct. 4th, 2008 12:09 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't like to meet either! Which is why they're fighting each other, and not me :)
(Ok, I'd rather encounter something vaguely human, though as I'd end up dead anyway it doesn't matter!).
Oct. 6th, 2008 12:31 pm (UTC)
Try regenerating inside the stomach of something which has molecular acid for blood...

He may indeed not die, but oh boy it's going to be painful!

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie

Ps. See 'The Magic Goes Away' for an interesting look at the theme of immortality/not dying and making sure you word your contracts/spells correctly...
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Oct. 6th, 2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes, this is very true; however, please note the discussion is regarding four made up creatures with their various attributes & powers.

Take the 'molecular acid' in the same context as Freddies dream manipulation abilities.

Are you with us now?

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie
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Oct. 7th, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
Look at it in context - it's like objecting to the way the USS Enterprise is powered because Dilithium Crystals are made up. It's all fantasy!

Or that Harry Bloody Potter shouldn't be able to fly a broomstick because it doesn't work in the real world.

Now, I do take the point on accuracy - it's definitely valid under the right context. But Alien is a slasher/haunted house movie dressed up in sc-fi clothing, not a treatment of the scientific method or a treatise on chemistry.

What say re:acid is perfectly correct, but it simply has no baring on the discussion :)

I'd agree film writers should do their homework, but that's unlikely to happen. Where it really gets me is in films passed off as 'historical' (Mel gibson, I'm looking at you!). That actively skews the perspective of history and can ruin peoples lives (See Zulu & Pvt. Hook, for instance, or the writing out of Rick Rezcorlick from 'We were soldiers, once').

But that's a clear distinction - I won't complain that Harry Potter spreads belief in witchcraft working, or the Freddy films show that dream killing is possible, or about Star Treks use of technobabble, and correspondingly won't complain that the Alien milieus use of 'molecular acid' is any less valid within the context of the films.

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie
Oct. 6th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
Ooh, will have to have a look out for that one.
I'm a little rusty on my Greek mythology, but I know of a nymph who wished for eternal life, without wishing for eternal youth. Silly thing. The story is very well modernised by Margaret Attwood in "Ovid Metamorphosed".

Hmm, the alien could end up having Jason/Freddy bursting out of their chest. See how they like it!
Oct. 6th, 2008 08:52 pm (UTC)
I like Larry Nivens fantasy stuff, it's veryw ell realised & remorselessly logical. 'What good is a glass dagger?' is very good too (in fact all of the Magician series are!).

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie
Oct. 4th, 2008 01:07 pm (UTC)
I've seen Conan prevail against impossible odds so I think he'd win; also...alien and predator...they're virtually indestructible and very powerful. Their skin alone is so tough that Freddy and Jason wouldn't even be able to penetrate it with their weapons.
Oct. 4th, 2008 01:45 pm (UTC)
Fair point. Though, if Alien and Predator sleep, there's a chance Freddy could cause them to kill each other.
It proved a devisive argument at work :)
Oct. 6th, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
Predators certainly sleep, but not when hunting; canon says they can go over a week, more with drugs.

I don't think Aliens sleep per se, they just sort of hibernate when not working/eating Colonial Marines, and conserve energy.

In their case I suspect Freddys buggered. They simply don't dream; it'd be like him trying to mind furtle an ant!

Probably have more success with Preds, as they are basically similar to humans in a conciousness sense.

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie
Oct. 6th, 2008 05:37 pm (UTC)
Hmm. I've never seen a predator film all the way through (I did start watching AvP, but fell asleep on the settee instead), so I don't know much about them.
If Freddy could get into their mind then he could get them to kill the alien? Or not?
Oct. 6th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
AvP is pretty rubbish... entertaining enough though, I s'pose.

I suspect Freddy probably could get into a Preds mind; assuming he has a chance to do so. Of course, as other, far less able, people have defeated him in his own dreamscape then I suspect he'd have quite a lot of trouble.

And then there's the fair likelihood that the alien would just eat the pred and then both Freddie & Jason for pudding!

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie
Oct. 6th, 2008 09:03 pm (UTC)
TBH, I found the end of the first Nightmare on Elm St a bit confusing as to whether he'd been defeated. (I suspect that staying up late to watch horror movies is a bit like drinking- when you're old enough to do it, you're not as good at it anymore, and you don't really have the inclination to do it anyway.)

Agreed- I think I may have been swayed on this one. Jason may have survived a knitting needle through the brain/umpteen gunshot wounds/being beheaded but I think digestion might just kill him.

Oct. 6th, 2008 10:52 pm (UTC)
Errr, now I'm not sure either without looking it up :)

Even if he isn't killed, he's not going to be in a happy state! Mmm, an eternity of being digested (or the other choice, worn as a trophy head dress that auto repairs any damage further prey manages to inflict. Self cleaning :D)

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie
Oct. 7th, 2008 05:49 pm (UTC)
At the end of the first film the female lead gets into a car, and then can't get out- I think Freddy is the driver? It could be that her defeating him was another mind trick played by him.

An eternity of being digested- sounds like something in the Ancient Greek underworld, "yeah, his liver is eaten every day, he can't drink water or eat the grapes, and he is constantly digested by an alien..."
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Oct. 6th, 2008 05:38 pm (UTC)
According to toxicpixie, sort of (see comment above). So yes, it would be Jason V A&P.
Agreed, Jason may be able to survive lots, but possibly not being digested...

Edited at 2008-10-06 05:39 pm (UTC)
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Oct. 7th, 2008 05:50 pm (UTC)
I spoke earlier, does that still stand? ;)
(But I have changed my mind).
Oct. 7th, 2008 03:00 pm (UTC)
I couldn't take the first poll...I love both of them and rather...they never fight...
second one...conjured up disgusting images...anyway...Alien and predator WILL win...SIZE does matter?(PLEASE no David Goliath comments!)...btw...I'm one of the few surviving who saw AVP...had to sit thru that sich shit with an even sicker bro who kept making comments like..."now they'll have sex..."...
Oct. 7th, 2008 05:52 pm (UTC)
Lol! Ok, vote on this, and we can pretend you can tend to the wounds of the loser- now, who would win? ;)

I agree- monsters will eat evil humans!
Oct. 8th, 2008 05:58 am (UTC)
hehehe...in that case...I declare Conan the victor! (wait a minute, who will be tending to his wounds...?:D)... btw, another poll could be Who would win a fight betn Conan and Ash(of Evil dead 3)...LOL!...
Oct. 8th, 2008 05:43 pm (UTC)
Oddly enough I was thinking of that as well.
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